About your Search

20121002
20121010
STATION
FOXNEWS 21
MSNBC 13
MSNBCW 13
CNBC 12
CSPAN2 7
CNN 6
CNNW 6
CSPAN 5
FBC 1
WETA 1
WTTG 1
LANGUAGE
English 107
Search Results 0 to 49 of about 107 (some duplicates have been removed)
? . what happens if we do? think of 1995. and we had a government shutdown. the pressure on both sides was so intense ones the government shut down that they had a deal within three weeks. the market consequences are more significant out. it is inconceivable that if we go into january there will not be a settlement in january, early february, the latest. we hit the debt ceiling -- sealing interviewer it anyway. one side will have to blink. probably both sides will link to some degree. i have talked to people in financial markets in new york about how they would react to all of this. a lot of reaction is that if there is any deal, it will make our directive to january 1 those tax cuts and we will remove sequestration. what i am being told is that in the interim, the damage will not be that significant. for fiscal hawks, many of us have been saying for years, when do we get action? if it happens in december, that is better. if it happens in january, that is significant progress. i think they said it very succinctly. carlisle and azande wrote, ideally, policy makers that they would work a
to the failure of, for the federal government to give money to the states in this time of crisis, which president obama supported. but you know, i think you'd see independent women, as i said before, a growing block of women, not just progressives are democrats, democratic women, could you worry about the fact that their daughter, for example, might not have access to planned parenthood, which, by the way, is really about women's health, mammograms, and not just these hot-button issues of reproductive choice. so i do think the independent women voters are the canary in the coal mined in terms of the seeing a republican party that is not hospitable or open to women's health rights, and linked to that in order to control your economic destiny you need to control your health. host: michael is a political science major. >> i will begin with the article that ran on "the nation" frontpage. why have appointments gone by the wayside in this election? guest: president obama has faced obstruction but has not been as engaged with putting forward judges. by the way, the supreme court today may be years 2% of
in advance will be three on the economy and one each on health care, the role of government and governing. with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics and choices. both candidates will also have two minute closing statements. the audience here in the hall has promised to remain slinlt. no cheers, applause, boos, hisss among other noisy distracting things so we may all concentrate on what the candidates have to say. there is a noise exception right now, though, as we welcome president obama. and governor romney. [ applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start with the economy. segment one, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about how you would go about creating new jobs? you have two minutes. each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss determined, mr. president, you go first. >> thank you very much, jim, for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of denver for your hospitality. there are a lot of points i want to make tonight, but the most important one is, 20 years ago i became
as a nonpartisan mayor here in richmond and second as a governor in a republican house. i governed in the most difficult economy since the 1930s, but we were the best managed state in america, governing magazine, the best state for business all four years i was governor, forbes magazine, and the best place to raise a child. education week. those weren't tim kaine accolades, they were things we did working together. and in the last year as governor when the president i asked to serve as dnc chair, i think i had my best year. we got smoking banned all three publications that ranked states ranked virginia the best state for business in the united states. we saw huge improvements in infant mortality and our foster carey form effort, achieved success in open space preservation and recruited numerous businesses in the heart of the recession to come to virginia, rolls-royce to opening a manufacturing facility, faic hilton and at the end of my administration, northrop grum mond decided to move from california here. virginians care about results and we got results working together. >> mr. allen? >> tim
done because there is no place to retreat true -- retreat to. our entire government or democracy to be successful has to be more young people getting involved in i'm not saying that just because i'm a young person. through my work on the city council, it brings something to our system. in fact i'm convinced that they bring three things. the first is energy. if you have ever tried to make a change it takes an inordinate amount of energy beyond even what you'd even expected. 14, 15, 16 hour days and things that you thought would take a week. if you don't have the energy to see these things through, young people have more energy than they know what to do with. that is because you didn't go to bed until 5:00 a.m.. at my age if i didn't get to bed until 5:00 a.m. i would not wake up until monday. the second thing is creativity. honest-to-goodness, this is something that -- have you ever seen a 6-year-old playing in out of nowhere they say i'm a dinosaur. they believe that in that moment or go in their mind so radically changes the status quo. they have no attachments to the status quo
on them by the government. >> he estimates the fact that as governor in eliminated the estate tax and took more than 100,000 low income virginians of the income tax rolls. i just thought i would correct him there. george and i have very different strategies. this is one of the most important programs that has ever been done by the government. more than 50% of american seniors have retired into poverty before it was passed. thank you we have -- thank god we have those days behind us. that would've been a huge catastrophe prior to the collapse in washington. what i would do is allow the payroll tax of words as a way of protecting the solvency of the program. on medicare, george allen supports the ryan budget that would turn medicare into a voucher program and push costs onto the seniors. i propose a senior savings costs, for example ending the prescription -- that we get. that would save us without jeopardize in the benefit of all. >> mr. allen, to ask both of you to take one minute to respond to tim kaine's assocation about medicare and to support the ryan budget? >> what i support is prese
's happened in our government in recent years and has continued up until now is a breakdown in the trust among our people and the -- >> don't adjust your set. this is what it was like live. hold on for just a second. this is what it was like for people watching the debate that night. [ silence ] >> the pool broadcaster from philadelphia have temporarily lost the audio. it is not a conspiracy against governor carter or president ford. they will fix it as soon as possible. >> the pool audio from philadelphia has been lost momentarily. we hope to have it back any minute. we don't know what's happened to it. >> it took 27 minutes to get that sound back. so the first time we had incumbent president face his challenger on tv in a debate in american history, it was totally novel to the country, it had never happened before, and the verdict to the extent that there was any clear winner or not, nobody really seemed to think there was a clear winner. frankly, it was almost beside the point. everybody was distracted with what went wrong, technically, 27 minutes of silence all blamed on this tiny little c
make it seem as though that when you talk about limits on the national government, that's antithetical to the constitution, the existence of a national government. it's embeddedded in the original argument. it argument was about limits. it wasn't about -- you hear this kind of and all these people trying to push us back to the article. that's ludicrous. and that's -- but helped to develop the constitution. .. the same time you understand there are some people still fighting the debate that engage in that debate and subsequent to that even in the adoption of 13th and 14th and 15th amendments you still have so we are still talking about what are the amendments of the national guard? what is the role of the national government, how we protect individual rights and liberties etc.. >> what's move forward and start talking about the events that press the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments. i want our audience, everybody on c-span it isn't just -- it is a special anniversary, it isn't just a to enter the 25th anniversary of the year that changes everything in human history, we the people. it's al
to look ahead to the big government jobs report to flesh this all out on friday morning. >>> the services sector that expanded at its fastest pace in six months in september boosted by a pickup in new orders. the institute for supply management nonmanufacturing index that looks at 18 services industries increased to 55.1 last month from 53.7 in august. david: all right. we've got all this covered plus a lot where we have larry shoafer in the pits of the cme group. bob phillips, telling us why the recession already here. legendary investor wilbur ross who needs no introduction and will tell us what is he investing. larry over at the i know talking with nicole that hewlett-packard was bringing down the whole index. you look at oil. it is hard, you can't call it a crash but a 4.25% drop in oil is the biggest drop we've had in months. doesn't that show you that we're at a tippingpoint here where the weakness in the economy may finally spill over to the stock market? >> it might be one of those things that does tip over the stock market. being down 4% i like the fact, i don't think the market
who are not in the government, it's incumbent on us to continue to encourage cooperation inside and outside. all of us have thoughts and suggestions to offer and some have technological expertise to land or policy expertise as well but it doesn't have to be done internally and it's terrifying when the government says we are here to help you. we are from the transparency community. we are here to help house well. with that i would like to thank all of the panelists. i would like to thank representative fisa and -- issa and quigly. please visit transparentycaucess for the next event and thank you all so much. [applause] i want to raise an issue that has been for two or three weeks specifically on the national security terms. you already are the oldest president in history and some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with mr. mondale. i recall president kennedy had to go days on end with bear minimum sleep during the cuban missile crisis. is there any doubt in your mind you would be able to function in such circumstances? >> not at all. i want you to k
clinton claiming that quote, multiple u.s. federal government officials confirmed to the committee that prior to september 11th attack, the u.s. mission in libya made repeated requests for increased security in benghazi. the mission in libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in washington. the fbi arrived in benghazi wednesday, three weeks after the attack, but spent only about 12 hours there. we're back with dan henninger, and also wall street board, matt comiskey and bret, foreign policy has said to be a big edge for president obama. is that edge eroding maust of libya and the middle east. >> i think it is eroding and time the president to get credit for policies that don't exist. >> there's focus on the kind of bureaucratic blunders made both prior didded especially prior to the attack and not sufficiently securing our diplomatic security there. >> it's an important issue? >> it's a democratic issue. >> paul: don't we have to keep our diplomatic issues secure? >> yes, but it's not the largest issue. i think these congressman, darrell issa will be making a mistake
electronically it was as good as if it had been printed by the government printing office, it delivered over here and then distributed. there were other things we did, mandatory wed casting -- web castin, really pushing companies to do that. as part of the effort to make electronic texts available in serve as a place where we could measure our own efforts to comply with the three day rule. we traded a centralized portugal for text coming up in the coming week. for all of this year that has been online for stuff coming to the floor there a lot of good work from our colleagues that were in the clerk's office. i would expect that would come on line for commit these early next year. that work is ongoing. looking at the next congress, i do not see the need for a whole lot of rule changes on this front. we're still in the process of the rule changes we made last time and evaluating their impact on what we're doing here in terms of our day to day legislative business. i think individual committees are trying to work really hard to make themselves more transparent. i know we are at the rules committee. i
affirm that it is ok for a public institution, whether it's government body handing out contracts or student or college admitting students, that it's ok for them to try to make sure that their student body looks like the state looks. they should if at all practical use factors on race and economic disadvantage, are you the first in your family to go to college? but if you see public institutions where the numbers of students dramatically different then the state population, i think it's an indication of challenge and problem that we have to try to solve. i strongly believe the diversity of our commonwealth is the strength, diversity of our nation is a strength and we ought to see diversity in our public bodies. >> mr. allen? >> i'm in some agreement with tim's expressions. i'm someone who's in favor of affirmative recruitment and i think everyone regardless of background ought to have an equal opportunity to compete and succeed. i would not want to deny people an opportunity based oni would e an opportunity based on race regardless of what their race is. while affirmative recruitm
and the democrats. how they essentially tried to bring the federal government's financial house to some kind of order. the answer is they failed. we have a federal government whose financial house is in total disorder, total disarray. it is a historic problem. to try to put it in english, we have a trillion dollars of iou outstanding in the world. the negotiations, they agreed to raise what they call the debt ceiling, so the government can borrow a couple more trillion dollars. we are going to run it run out of that borrowing authority january or february of next year. they're going to have to go back and authorized congress for more trillions of dollars of borrowing. the republicans and lots of people in congress don't want to authorize that. so there is going to be a bloody negotiation, unless they can work a deal. in a sense, this is a book about the past, but it's about the present. it is about where we are going and what the country's future is. if you think about it i would argue that the inability of the government to fix this borrowing debt deficit issue in the book, vice president b
of the oversight and government reform committee sent letter to hillary clinton asking why the request for security were denied by washington. they site multiple government officials as the sources. it has threats on facebook that targeted ambassadorsteins. andrea, we are three weeks to the day from the four ambassadors were killed. you have a committee now saying the answers are not good enough. they don't make sense. secretary of state hillary clinton says she will cooperate with congress. the right thing to do. there will be a hearing next wednesday. interesting today when we were talking last night and today, you saw that the press is not letting up on this. in particular, the editorial boards are starting to say wait a second, something does not seem right here. >> andrea: i don't think they could ignore it any longer. it's a shame it has take then long. but the evidence has just been overwhelming. really, credit fox news for leading the charge on this. the reporting is excellent. we have found out also last week that there with four attacks leading up to the attack in libya. the signs were th
. we had a government shut down. newt gingrich i clinton. once the government shut down, the pressure on both sides was so intense there was a deal in less than three weeks. the pressure, if we go into january, will be far greater than it was then because the economic consequences and the market consequences are more significant. i think it's inconceivable that if we go into january, there won't be a settlement in january, early february at the latest. we hit the debt ceiling in february anyway. there has to be a settlement. somebody has to blink, probably both sides blink to some degree. i've talked a little bit to people in financial markets in new york about how they think the markets would react to all of this. the reaction i've got is there's a lot of nervousness, a lot of volatility in the markets in january. if there is a deal in a few weeks, and any deal clearly makes retroactive to january 1st, the tax cuts continued, and we'll remove sequesteration, then what i'm told is in the interim the damage really won't be that significant. now, for fiscal hawks, many of us have been s
the relationship between this corporation is and the chinese government. it's been a key question. but for all of the questioning, a lot of it is conjecture. this aren't that many hard facts here, something i did ask chairman rogers about earlier today. >> we've had information from former and current huawei employees. we have both classified information. our foreign partners, australians and the british and others have passed along information they've seen whether it comes to huawei's activities which i think is a very clear indication i have no problem saying i would not use huawei equipment. i'd find other vendors. if you care about your consumer's data and the national security of the united states you need to look elsewhere. >> of course if you do believe, as i do, given my reporting on it, that the chinese are incredibly aggressive when it comes to cyber espionage, sue, and then you believe much wlaf of what is in this report, you certainly come to the conclusion if there is a telecommunications company that's becoming somewhat dominant around the globe that has the backing of or certain
that the american plan to hand over to a credible, stable afghan government will work. these village elders tell me once u.s. troops leave, a civil war will begin, and u.s.-trained afghan forces will not be able to stop it. are you preparing for this fight? are you already stockpiling weapons and ammunition and getting yourself ready? "yes, we are. we will definitely fight," he says. and what about the afghan government? it's meaningless here, they say. you think it's possible that the taliban will try and come back? "yes, they will," he says. "it it makes a decades worth of american battles seem futile. it wasn't always like this. >> the united states military has begun strikes. >> reporter: at first -- >> one, two, three! >> reporter: -- the war had momentum. and a clear purpose. al qaeda with bases in afghanistan attacked the united states on 9/11. just three months later, the u.s. drove the taliban from power. al qaeda and osama bin laden were on the run. it was done with a few hundred cia officers, special forces and air power. a quick victory but not decisive. and then came the distraction of
in afghanistan and no evidence that the american plan to hand over to a credible, stable afghan government will work. these village elders tell me once u.s. troops leave, a civil war will begin and u.s.-trained afghan forces will not be able to stop it. >> are you preparing for this fight? are you already stockpiling weapons and ammunition and getting yourself ready? yes, we are, we will definitely fight, he says. and what about the afghan government? it's meaningless here, they say. you think it's possible that the taliban will try and come back. yes, they will, he says. it makes a decade's work of american battles seem futile. it wasn't always like this. >> the united states military has begun strikes. >> at first, the war had momentum. and a clear purpose. al qaeda with bases in afghanistan attack the united states on 9/11. just three months later, the u.s. drove the taliban from power, al qaeda and osama bin laden were on the run. it was done with a few hundred cia officers, special forces, and air power. a quick victory. but not decisive. >> that was nbc's richard engel reporting. and
allegation. according to issa, multiple u.s. federal government officials have confirmed to the committee that prior to the september 11th attacks, the u.s. mission in libya made repeated requests for increased security in benghazi. the mission in libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in washington. the state department has responded to darrell issa's letter. here is spokeswoman victoria newland. we are now working through all of the documents, all of the information that is available to us in this department. we will see where we are on the 10th, but it is our intention to cooperate fully. >> all right. hillary clinton also responded to issa with a letter of her own. i have it here. she said she has established an accountability review board, which begins work this week to determine, and i want to quote her, i'll read here straight from the letter, wants to determine whether our security systems and procedures in benghazi were adequate. whether they were properly implemented. and any lessons that may be relevant to our work around the world. darrell issa joins me now. g
the transition of the government. one of the other big messages we picked up over there, particularly in i understondia, emerging market central banks, they're very concerned about what the traditional bank of england, fed, ecb are doing with monetary policy. the fed is now at the extreme. we've tied our monetary policy to unemployment rates. the concern is that's going to bleed into inflation in their markets. you have half the world, the developed market, saying reflation, reflation, reflation. at the same time, the eu markets want to grow, but they don't want that inflation. so they're at odds. that's why you hear brazil's government telling you there's somewhat of a currency war going on. so, look, there's always something. going on. i mean, it's been a very volatile year. the market is up 33% over the last 12 months. there's been plenty to do. our view is this volatility is creating opportunity. you've got to be global. you've got to be across multiple assets. you have to be coordinated in terms of your approach. we're finding a lot of different things to do across both our liquid bus
night arguing that the obama agenda amounts to trickle down government which he says will not work. watch. >> we have two very different courses for america. trickle down government or prosperity through freedom. and trickle down government that the government proposes is one where he will raise taxes on small business, which will kill jobs. i, instead, want to keep taxes down on small business so we can create jobs. >> the romney campaign is very aggressively looking to capitalize on last night's performance. new ads out. web videos, t-shirts bumper stickers and slogans popping up all around the country trying to capitalize on what the country victory round one and two more to come election day 33 days from now, trace? >> speaking of capitalizing, carl, the romney campaign says donations have been pouring in since the debate last night. >> one of the things that they are also boasting about is tremendous increase in social media attention. lots of new twitter followers. lots of new hits on facebook. but where the money is concerned the romney campaign was experiencing certain degr
about women's rights, big difference about the role of government in saving american -- that's my point. come back on me if i'm wrong. i don't think arguing about medicare dos and don'ts and what's in and what's out -- he'll always win that. you know why? he's willing to say anything, romney, anything in a debate. how do you beat a guy who is willing to say anything, who knows it only matters when the camera is off. when he sends out a staffer to correct the record. nobody is watching. that's what he likes. >> i don't disagree with you about the auto industry as an issue. i don't disagree with you about women's rights as an issue and equal pay, about you you can't walk away from the medicare issue and you can't let romney say that he's the guy who is going to protect medicare when he's, in fact, going to turn it into voucher care. senior citizens, especially in states like florida, pennsylvania, you know this, ohio, are going to be a big part of this electorate. they want to understand what's happening there. because the president didn't respond on medicare in the debate with any force,
the government should make the call? >> there you go again, chris. >> i know. >>> the gallup tracking poll has now divided into two. >>> if look at the pollster trend line of -- you can see obama in the blue line really picked up. we all know that charlotte was good for the democrats, but romney started gain rapidly following that debate. what do you think about that, michael? how is it moving between now and 28 days from now? >> now, how the people digest that remains -- sugar high? how long does it last? >> whatever it was, obama should have had some of it. the poll, the tracking is beginning to reflect -- >> we're getting into the big issues tonight and for the coming two presidential debates. >> i think that joe biden is going to draw up big. everyone wants to know if everyone's going to do it. to some extent i think it will be like nascar. is he going to make a mistake? the democrats have argued that romney's claim during last week's debate, it's actually a plan to cut $5 billion in taxes, but he did it again tonight on cnn just a short time ago. the obama attacks are false, let's see wha
like that? >> reporter: hey, alex, good afternoon, well, officially the israeli government has not said who they believe launched the drone, however, they cite media sources which they blame hezbollah and the media backers. officials fear the drone may have been part of an operation to spy on strategic sites in the country. and hezbollah is known to have sent israeli drones in the air space on previous occasions, in 2006, they launched a drone capable of carrying explosives into israel, but was shot down. but this was the first time in six years that hostile aircraft was known to have penetrated the country's air space. the defense minister said that israel takes the incident very seriously and will consider responses. of course, tensions between israel and iran are high as they continue to face off regarding iran's nuclear program. >> and then iran's response has been what? >> reporter: >> reporter: well, so far no immediate response, but they are reporting the israeli defenses, one website calls it a reference to the country's missile defense system. so so far, neither country is sayi
into january. what happens if we do? think of 1995. we have a government shut down. once the government shutdown, the pressure on both sides was so intense there was a deal in less than three weeks. the pressure when we go into january will be greater than it was then because the economic consequences if the market consequences are more significant. i think it is inconceivable that if we go into january there won't be a settlement in january, early february of the latest. we hit the debt ceiling in february anyway. there has to be a settlement. somebody will have to wait. probably both sides will link to some degree. i've talked a little that to people in financial markets in new york about how they think the markets would react to all this. there would be a lot of nervousness and a lot of volatility in the markets in january. if there is a deal with a few weeks on any deal, clearly retroactive to january 1st the tax cuts that have continued and will remove sequestration. then what i am being told is in the interim the dynamics won't be that significant. now, for the fiscal hawks, many
not committees of government. he's dealing with the canadian government. we are asking them for carte blanche for the passport. can you imagine the canadian government coming to the united states congress and asking us for blank passports? domeback. he's dealing with every level from the white house, jimmy carter, who actually approved, tony had one foot out the door in germany and a cable came into his head stop, president is reviewing. 20 minutes later, godspeed, good luck, from the president of the united states. this is unprecedented. because as he said, if this didn't a wealthy american flag was going to be draped all over it. so he's working with the canadians, working wit with a we us, working with the cia bureaucracy, and is working with the state department. and it's difficult to get everybody on the same page with the idea that they are calling the best bad idea they could come up with. he did all that. but beyond that he went and walked them through the airport on his own, which wasn't necessarily in the plan, and our headquarters often tells us don't do that. don't go in the airpo
the federal government saved 1.5 million american jobs and ohio's economy. and all of a sudden, mitt romney says the auto loan, that was just a good idea. and mitt romney says he will be the president for all americans. don't forget that. even though he was caught on tape saying he can never convince 47% of americans to take responsibility for themselves. this is why mitt romney can't be let off the hook in the debate tomorrow night. but it's hard to press him on these issues when he doesn't even answer the questions. here it is. >> what is the biggest misconception about you in the public debate right now? >> we'll have to create more jobs, have less debt and shrink the size of government. >> misconceptions about you? >> you get to ask the questions you want and i get to give the answers i want. >> i hope there's a moment like that tomorrow night. not going to be easy for jim lehrer. even if romney won't answer for them, it needs to be spelled out loud and clear to the american people who have been lied to. mitt romney has not been straight with americans on where he stands and where he wa
with this -- a lot of people would disagree with it -- let's get the government out of your life as much as possible, less taxes, less regulation, less government spending. the second thing romney did, which was really important, he said, look, i have a history of bipartisan cooperation. i worked with democrats. i did this in massachusetts. if you talk to democrats in massachusetts, they say romney was a very good governor, that they could work with him. maybe obama saw this because the significance of the last 3 1/2 years in the obama presidency is there was never cooperation or rarely cooperation. no or very few bipartisan agreements. the only time they did something was when they brought joe biden in to negotiate with the republicans. so maybe obama sensed that. but i don't know -- it's worthy to investigate. >> sean: yeah. one theory i have, i want to ask you one more question about your theory. i would argue, $6 trilon in debt, very hard to explain away. i would argue that, you know when 2012 economically is worse than 2011, which was worse than 2010, unemployment in 2012, fewer jobs in this ye
. i think the numbers are not actually accurate that the government projects there. but the last four months was remarkable because usually equities and growth, you know, merge together. sometimes equities anticipates it. sometimes it lags. but growth numbers keep falling. and yet the equity market keeps rising. i think the s&p is now -- should be thought of as a different sort of class of instrument used by investors around the world. i think now that the yield of the ten-year or of corporate credit, i think it hasn't been this tight since the '50s. and i think therefore if you look at it on a yield basis and if you believe that multinationals, leading multinational companies will have enough growth to have growth, and i think that's actually true, because global growth, from a consumer standpoint and spending is going to be positive, then in a way these equities are mispriced relative to, you know, the ten-year. >> so you're talking about the idea which we've seen in force, buying these larger stocks that have significant dividend yields, you think that's creating a new dynamic, tho
to double down on defending big bird. after romney's debate promise to cut government programs like public broadcasting, the alternative is borrowing more money from china. >> elmo, has been seen in a white suburban. driving for border. oscar is hiding out in the trash can. cracking down on him. >> in what may be a sign of brutal attacks ahead, the president is out with a new adadlinking romney to slew of criminals, from bernie madoff to ken lay. >> it's me, big bird. >> big, yellow, menace to the economy. romney knows it's not wall street to worry about. it's "sesame street." >> at a rally at ohio state, entertainer will i. am warmed up the crowd with a familiar song. ♪ republicans today rolled out another star of "sesame street," count to add up since last week's debate, the president now talked about that show 13 times. not mentioning libya or specific plan to fix the economy. ann romney said she is fed up with the charge her husband lied to victory. >> like in sand box that lost the game and kick sand in someone's face and say you liar. now they lost. okay, the game, we didn't like t
Search Results 0 to 49 of about 107 (some duplicates have been removed)